He was replaced with a paranoid, confused kid who was obsessed with protecting himself. i know you just want to help and i envy your husband for having such a committed wife. My name is Nick Theriault. Toooo many memories to start. There are so many little lessons I learned there that I still use today. Where is the success? I dont. http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/ We actually spent time in the lodge where it was warm and dry. Anyway you guys feel free to holler at me if you see this. I cant ask her any info from whatever family thing she came from without sounding suspicious but I can say her name is Randi. I was the one the whole molestation case was about. Justin Harris playing his guitar at night when they dimmed the lights definitely made you appreciate the little things. Nelson's Spring Creek is approximately 3/4 miles in length. I was there jan2005 to 0ct2006 I was was Serenity. Snow capped peaks, All the new animals that she might see out in Montana and the stories she could tell her friends back in California. Everyone in life has a battle or two in lifewe were mostly all troubled kids Wwasps may not even be as evil as they seem to be at a glance or gaze, but just a bunch of misguided idiots without any qualifications to be in charge of children. Hey, I was at Spring Creek Community in 1988 as this place was evolving into the nightmare scenario it ended up being. Theyd even use former Tranquility Bay students to put on the phone where we were made to talk other parents into agreeing to transfer their kids thereinto a far worse program than they were already in. I heard a rumor that they couldnt restrain you if you were naked, so I tried it. work the program or you will be there until you turn eighteen. I could write a book about this and there are many many crazy situations that were just sick in the head that I could tell you about. This wasnt a law? Lol fuck that place! Whats up buddy, Courage was formed after I had arrived in that hell hole. I will be looking into this further and hope the best for Brandy. MLS ID #2497935. It was a two day drive to I didnt know where. Required fields are marked *. That place made me worse off than I was. I wonder if the place is for sale? They were going to keep me. Were like 10 miles from Heron and it looked like she had slippers or bare feet. Information related to travelling to Montana: which airports to fly into, major towns, etc. I remember Wolf going home and dying from a overdose at a party shortly after getting home. Did yall REEEEALLY need that 15 foot high pile of rocks moved to left ten feet? Its a mind fuck. Robert Lichfield can barely read. I am amazed at how I have blocked so much out. The selection consisted mainly of Goosebumps and other preteen literature. Three years in the program, never made it above level one, never went to a single seminar, and rebelled just enough to not get transfered to Jamaica. She hated me so much when my mom finally pulled me outta there she didnt even come to say by. Is your name Billy Roberts? Now that I know he had to say that stuff I hate these people for betraying what we were trying SO hard to hold onto. I stayed for 1 year. I was in excel family in 2000. I was one of the few who got away. Spring Creek Ranch | Boyle Investment Company Spring Creek Ranch Collierville's best in elegant country living, Spring Creek Ranch is a master-planned 820-acre residential community. I would love to chat with you!!! She is 15 years old. This technical match the hatch fishing produces big results. Finally one day when I had my scheduled call, my mother asked , Are they listening to you talk. and I said , Yes . I hope Chaffin and Cameron get what they deserve. When our parents did come into town, the staff put on quite a good show and meal. I hope that you have found someone that you love and loves you for you. About an hour goes by waiting on tracks and I hear the horn and get excited. John and myself began talking to new comers at night about towing the line and going away on the inside so to speak. which is why nobody talks about it. Ive blocked so much out, I may be wrong on the names. Reflections is terrible and I hate Mickey Manning. MAILING ADDRESS 101 Nelson's Spring Creek Rd. They talked about getting a translator. What a wild ride! but i remember being really happy when you guys did that, like at least someone else thought that place was stupid and did something. Do I still have anger issues? Im relieved to know its in my rear view mirror, but even though it was 20 years ago it still seems like not that long ago. Most of our trips include rods, flies and we rent waders. I had already downloaded the Kindle version from our local public librarys website and had started reading it. The one that always struck me as ridiculous was how they wouldnt let you look at the girls. We had the worst reputation which i somewhat enjoyed. Im sorry, but anyone who leaves their kid in the care of a man named Narvin needs a brain transplant. Lord they were pissed about that. Scared clutching the back railing. We flew into Las Vegas and next day drove to what I thought was Park Cities. When I first arrived it felt like military walking around heel toe not being able to talk or even look at certain people. Join Chick-fil-A One .Earn points with every qualifying purchase. Bye. I have apologized to her but not sure she really forgives me. I was there in 2004 2005. I looked at them and looked at Brandy. We shared rumors and strategies to get out. Join our Newsletter. Then got transferred to the ranch. You have to contact the Montana stae board of education and work backwards from there it is a shit show. Anyway, Im sorry you got screwed with. We were simply cut off from our life, our families/friends, our world. I was there in 2006 i believe I was in courage family the place was hell I never passed level 1 I remember the room at the top of the hill the most the punishment room intervention or whatever it was called I spent most my time there it smelled like piss and or puke it was exactly like a prison sell except In prison we got a mattress and a tv there we got a stinky carpet covered wooden or metal bunk I spent several years in prison and that place made prison seem like a resort its probably half the reason I went to prison it institutionalized me at 15 it made me numb to being incarcerated incarceration felt normal and easy compared to that shit hole if there are any lawsuits I can join please contact me tirnerlegacyconstruction@gmail.com. All the fake relationships to get thru accountability. OPENING DOORS REAL ESTATE, LLC. Shit!!!!! I did make my decisions. I saw stuff tbey did to him there. Hi out there! Did I enjoy being there, no. I am a survivor too. So if you went there, and are now an Adult, and you are still im the Same Fucked Place that you were that got you there in the First Place, then Please Go Get Help. So many parents refuse to admit their mistakes and it is extremely frustrating as a former inmate to deal with. I never believed the kids were bad. The only man in the behavior modification program with the title Psychologist and we werent allowed to talk to him haha So telling. I think his name was Danny. It was my first or second week there. Now, im a 30 year old man.31 in 2 months and to this day (13 years later) I plan to go back and visit. Luxury service is provided with genuine warmth and hospitality. The CSR's Montana ranch spanned 2,077+/- acres of premium Montana ranchland in the heart of the Gallatin Valley, 10 miles West of Bozeman. Our HS transcripts do not exist. This, coupled with the long growing season, allow crops to be grown both to benefit and attract the area wildlife and to generate income. I kept in touch with Henry a bit. 2004 SCL was investigated concerning the death of a 17 year old girl byThe Montana Department of Public Health and Human Services (DPHHS) resulting in a complaint filed for child abuse and neglect against the school and specifically its directors, Cameron and Chaffin Pullan. Honestly I didnt know what to do with my child. I remember Eugene, I think we called him little 2Pac. My name is Trent, I was in Excel from March 2000- March 2001 with Mark, Henry, Brad, Matt, Bill, Jesse, Scott, Jason and a whole bunch of other little f*kers that were honestly pretty funny kids. I was 14. She at-least had a mother. The ladies were odd. Bamandah@gmail.com. it ruined years of my life just by being a part of the pain, distance, etc my boyfriend went through. Erics story, 1997 My name is Stephanie Hudson and i went to Spring Creek Lodge in 1999-2000. I feel awful for all of you having to go through all of this. More Home About Photos Reviews Follow About See all 101 Nelsons Spring Creek Rd Livingston, MT 59047 1,189 people like this 1,426 people follow this 488 people checked in here http://nelsonsspringcreek.com/ We were isolated from any houses or people way up there, and didnt have any food to bring with us anyway. He was my bunk mate when I first went to courage upstairs in Grizzly. Im on to you. I was in unity family in 99 and 2000. Rates and terms for some of our standard trips. When I arrived i saw brainwashed kids everywhere I looked. The summer brings the terrestrial season, and the trout are always more than willing to come up for a meal. Vacant land located at Copper Corbin Rd, Jefferson City, MT 59638 sold on Aug 31, 2021. McCoy Spring Creek Ranch | Montana Land for Sale SOLD McCoy Spring Creek Ranch 1210 ACRES Dillon IN Beaverhead COUNTY MONTANA Listing Price: $10,500,000 < > MOST RECENT STATUS UPDATE Sold November 15, 2012 Property Updated January 5, 2021 Details Free Subscribers Sign up for Free Access Market Experts Become a Market Expert Map You will be redirected once the validation is complete. Why? I just wanted to survive and not stand out. survived BOB. It didnt take long until it started to sink in. I get out calmly and walk to the back of the truck. Lawsuits Mount Against Spring Creek Lodge, http://wwaspsurvivors.com/youth-foundation-success-academy-youth-foundation-inc/, http://www.flickr.com/photos/100005874@N05/, http://www.facebook.com/groups/wwaspsurvivors, http://chaffinpullanismarvelous.weebly.com/, Youth Foundation Closes Amid Scandals, Lawsuits | WWASP Survivors. Im sorry to hear all your bad stories of how you were treated no kid should ever go through that. The trouble teens in the cabin did not care about her, they were too wrapped up on trying to SURVIVE the program. remember true colors playing every five minutes. Hope youre doing well Billy and lifes treating you good. I secretly carried my stepdads handgun to school every day and kept to myself. So this isnt my real name. Hey bro Im juinor staff Im going to chase after you if you run. Most did in one way or another. It wasnt right. Shes a good kid but lies a LOT and hasnt made passing grades for years, so we are trying help her make better choices for herself and improve her situation, opening doors for her future. There were eight giant, two-story, log cabins on campus with a communal cafeteria in the middle. It would be priceless to talk to those whom understand. I lived in the San Francisco Bay Area and never saw a train in an unpopulated area. He was in Samoa for 22 months his name was josh and he was upper level and was already 18 but he went on a pass and when he confessed that he had sex with his girlfriend ( who he had a 2 year old baby with) and just got dropped back down to level 1. Feeling like killing all the staff and myself. She is lucky to have a mother who accepts what happened there. It was 1996. Its been a long time, but it would be nice to make life a little worse for the sycophantic freaks that ran that place and all the others. but its true. I was in and out of worksheets/intervention from walking opposite direction as my (courage)family group on purpose to always keep the staff on their toes I guess you cn say I have a problem walking a straight line with others? It all starts with hiring people qualified to care for kids. The service requires full cookie support in order to view this website. The lodge is located next to one of the largest Wilderness areas in the U.S. You can fish for salmon in the Middle Fork of the Salmon River. Know when to ask questions know when to back off, know when to be a friend, know when to parent. Got bored and checked out SCL on GoogleEarth. Ranch Size This ranch contains 2290 +/- deeded acres with 3miles of meandering Big Spring Creek. Most of the townspeople didnt like it, other than they, SCA, dumped a ton of money in town. We will have to transfer her to another level facility.. I cant remember the name of the 2-story cabin that had the laundry room at the bottomIm spacin on that. He started indoctrinating us during this time where we all felt literally lost in the woods to his version of how we should view ourselves and the way we had been living. She said she already knew I was gone and she knew about a couple other crimes I did in between to eat and whatever so she was my biggest cheerleader to get home and booked me a plane ticket to get home that was departing in about an hour. I dont know how complicit he was with the Chaffins of the world but I think they kept him on the sidelines. I hope karma reaches the people behind the evil operations of these facilities. We were put through the monotony of their daily brainwash therapy. Jessica I emailed you and I never got anything back. I remember running after at least 3 Runners, pssssh I didnt care if they got away, 99% of us were in it for the dinner in town as a thank you. Being bodyslammed, fucked with, or otherwise attacked or abused is never okay regardless of what behavior the CHILD may be demonstrating. Yep just had a nightmare I was there again woke up feeling sick and not wanting to go back to sleep. Life is good. Remember Eric Sweptston? Instead it just made us a little crazy to varying degrees. Rivers such as the Big Hole, Ruby and Jefferson can all be reached within minutes of the ranch, and the Madison is a 1-hour drive. Thank you. Support Staff beating the shit out of teenagers and jr staff getting thier jollys off fucking with lower levels. I spent two winters in that hell hole. You Tom, sound like a prick. Im guessing Im way better off. Thiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiissssss issssss buuuuuuuuuuulllllllllll shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiittttttt. i once ran away while on a transport in missoulaa douche named cliff was our family father at the timeso many memorieswhat a shit hole, I was in Excel as well. And that one person is the reason I got to go home 7 months before I turned 18!I will never forget that person. I didnt remember you but that friends group you mention put you right in the i fucked with everyone because i felt superior and the staff rewarded yall. I knew if I didnt that Id never get out, so I think I got to level 4 before, with a rare phone privilege because my uncle had died in Iowa, and I tried to convince my Dad to let me go to the funeralwhich I ended up not going to after all was said and done, but it did give me chance to convince my Dad I was doing well and ready to go back to normal high school starting after the winter break. And it worked in my favor. He was in Excel from 2001 to 2002. Fuck this place. I remember the mormon staff yesRandy and his brother (?) I was made to believe I was a piece of shit and came home thinking that didnt take long I was in jail etc at 38 I still have problems with self hate and not a day goes by I dont think of this hell hole. Chavez I remember u. I came into excel just as u were leaving Moises n big mike. Im doing good. Its the Weirdest Thing I have Ever Seen. He was there for 10 months 1996-1997. The ones that got their dicks hard when handing out cat 2s for looking at girls. The ranch has been endowed with some of the most impressive natural resources found anywhere in the west all of which have been enhanced and protected by the current owners' stewardship practices. If you have questions or feedback about this data, get help at riskfactor.com and climatecheck.com. Situated on the Laramie Plains in south central Wyoming, the Spring Creek Ranch controls 3,190+/- acres of productive Wyoming prairie. What is their to do to be active in lawsuits? There was an older main teacher there who kinda looked like Santa Claushi name was Ken, I think. I remember there as a cold snap and it was -20 degrees below zero during the day and we had to go to an emergency cabin or freeze to death during a night that went down to -40. Main water features of Lewistown Area include Crystal Lake, Judith River, Missouri River, Big Spring Creek, Warm Spring Creek, and Ft. Peck Lake. Since I wasnt compliant they would consequence me for minimal things just to watch me lose it and get restrained. I am doing my own research for background on a possible article. 0.92 acres lot - Lot / Land for sale. i do not know your husband and i didnt went too this place but i had a similar experience elsewhere in europe when i was a teen. I remember gravel pit and how fresh and revived I felt afterwords. Kids were beat as punishment, chased down when they ran and forced to sleep outside on the ground no matter the weather, homeschooled for the sole reason that the teachers didnt think they deserved to even talk to other kids seeing as even during the classes at the home if any of the boys were caught talking the had to get on the ground and do push-ups until the class was over and if they fell or stopped they were given chores which usually consisted of cleaning the vehicles of the teachers, taking care of the home-owners animals or even making a dinner that they then had to sit out on. What people didnt see was my home life. I was in Serenity from 1999-2002. I did not attend this school and Im very thankful for that. I did not quit because then I couldnt help anyone if I wasnt there. That was just sick and I knew that even then. I was in Quest family, Quest family veteran here. Another side note- my reason for being there was because I did not like my step dad and argued with my parents constantly. Ian Baldwin I remember you wisdom family. I was still in denial about the whole situation waiting for my Mom to show up and say just kidding but she never came. I was in Spring Creek Lodge from 2002 to 2003. They said it was part of my image or something like that. Im sad to hear about Karley and how she felt before her death. i wrote the above comment as rebecca. candice is my real name, not rebecca. And anger issues?! Let them suffer from whatever actions they might create for themselves. Creek Wilderness Camp in the spring of 1989 for two months. I am looking for a few survivors to share their stories with me and help me contribute. Hopefully they have since realized what a grave mistake they made and have tried to make amends, and hopefully youve been able to find it in your troubled, eternally scarred hearts to forgive them. I was a month from turning 18 and got put in the 18Year program pretty quickly, I think the staff (and my parents) realized they needed a way to keep me there while I was 18 and after. So good to see this page is still active and I, like many others still think about that time in Montana. Best memories were from meeting the fellow inmates and learning what we could. The things he told me about that place still give me nightmares. It seemed like you could be addicted to anything. Did any girl ever have anything similar happen to them? I was there for a total of maybe 10 weeks. $348,500. Did my time in tbe marines and served my country in afgan and irq. Reading about Josh Lambert is crazy. More than likely there are some things that you can do or change to help the situation. Holy shit I cant believe I found this page. That Im too old to go, but still end up there. I was going to Spring Creek in Montana and it was really hard having everything taken away from you and then you grow close to your people who are surviving this shit with you and then you find out that everyone is being split up. I think him and his wife lived in an old converted school bus somewhere outside of town. I got out 100 percent worse then when I went in. They could have structured a program that actually helped the majority of the kids there Instead they were a cash grab desensitized werdio group of muppeteers that used some weird ass point/level system off of bizarre seminars for days on end where you had to do shit that if you walked up to anyone in there right mind would tell you youre nuts if you participate in something like that. Anyway thankful for your post Brann id enjoy a conversation with you anytime, My name is Chris and I attended Spring Creek Lodge for 6 months in 2003 all I can say is the horror stories are spot on the neglect was real the psychological and physical abuse was real and The Hobbit which only people that have gone to the school will understand what Im talking about pretty much destroyed any self-worth that I had when I requested my exit plan I was given a ride to the nearest homeless shelter and the clothes on my back in the middle of winter I am so glad the school is shut down and I have the utmost hatred for both the school the staff and my parents who still to this day stand behind what they did I hope to God anybody that is stuck in a program like this run run run run it is the only hope and when they let loose the dogs make sure they tear your face off so that you have the physical proof of what they do I know for a fact that use dogs at Spring Creek Lodge to track down students who have ran I only know this because I was put on junior staff privilege and sent on a Manhunt for a lower class student who had ran this school actually had measures and plan taught to their staff in the case that somebody ran or in the case that somebody tried to hurt themselves simply because it happened so frequently and the staff made sure to downplay anything that was going on at the school that would be construed as detrimental to the well-being of a minor the two men at the head of this ship should be held for their crimes and being given the the chair if you ask me which would be fitting because all we would have to do is tell him that its worksheet sit on your stool and stare at the wall only for him there would be no release after 24 hours of sitting on the stool this may sound like a rant or exaggeration but all I can say is I have not construed the truth in any way if you want any more details feel free to contact me I will speak freely about everything that went on at that school if thats what you want to call it, My name is Chris and I attended the school in 2003 I currently live in Phoenix Arizona and when I read your story about the desert I thought maybe you would still be around here if you are I would totally be down to talk to you Im going through a little bit myself now that I am in my 30s and the flashback of this period of my life are starting to dominate my current psyche I think maybe if I was able to connect with some other people that understood what I went through I might be able to talk of the flashback if you would be okay talking with me please by all means give me a call my phone number is 602-596-3046, Looks like this isnt a very active place to post anymore, but I just wanted to state that I think I have everyone beat in a few ways. Were there Shitty Staff Members, Yes. Wish you guys all well in life. Its teenagers going through different stages of life trying to figure shit out. Just then, I look up and see a young girl, hispanic, walking the tracks passed our crews and out onto the long tall bridge. Cry me a fuking river you unaccountable over sensative pussies! I had never had a filling/cavity in my life and came home with ~20. I remember my stay thers like it was yestetday. CONTACT 406-222-6560. So happy that place was shut down. In the meantime I might have to get a GED how stupid and ridiculous that even though I have my diploma and unofficial transcripts thats still not enough :/. Last week during the Youth Foundation parent/child seminar, Chaffin Pullan (who is the new director since Jade Robinson resigned) mentioned taking the kids to Riverview in Montana. Maybe he figures were too f-ing stupid to look into the people we hope to glean some advice and guidance from. Think about what an entire staff body of 200 employees like this could do to kids. It was cool cuz I went n stole the staffs ciggs n got to do whatever I wanted. Seriously hope everyone involved in that places burns. If (and hopefully when) you DO come to terms with what happened to you, we will be here for you, as we have been for so many others. I couldnt see through the mirror tint on the front door so went in. But after they saw that he and I wwerent causing iasues, they let us interact and hang out at free time which is when most jumpings occured. IG: Ke90227. Anyway brother John, you were the guy who carried me through that time. And I wished they would of just let me get through that part of my life whether I would of gotten arrested and had to do some jail time. Well suprise suprise they got shut down! No phone call for 4 months. I have heard of that but where I was they called it worksheets and it was a room with about five Cubbies with stools in front of them and you had to sit there for up to 24 hours straight and the only thing you could do besides sit there was your independent school studies. Many prestigious local fly shops, guide services, and lodges participated in this business, including Frontier Anglers, the Yellowstone Angler, the Montana Angler, Healing Waters Lodge and the Five Rivers Lodge. You are more than welcomed to contact me privately at greene0756@gmail.com. I was with you in Courage. Hello Fellow Survivors, I have heard too many rumors of people killing themselves after leaving. Its been 13 years, I am not mad, its was just a chapter of my life, i am Instrument of God with a loving spirit . Luckily, I had my HS diploma from them, but even with out that she can help you. All of these world-class services can vouch for the amazing fishery at McCoy Spring Creek Ranch. He helped me get out of there. Thank you, I was introduced to levels and a complicated point system. But not worth letting them tear me down emotionally like that. Build lasting relationships with your best clients or reward your key employees with one of our custom built corporate fishing retreats.