You can't work commentating on it for as long as he has next to informative ex-pros without some of it getting in through osmosis at the least. Bit harsh, Quigley is a lot more knowledgeable. You can also sometimes find your hotel is one or two hours away. He's fine when it's all action but flounders when it's a longer stage. The prodigious British riderTao Geoghegan Hart laid into Kirby's"outrageous claims", and Owain Doull also chipped in to describe Kirby as a "proper muppet". But saves my life" German governments helmet advert sparks sexism row, - Sir Gary Verity steps down from Welcome to Yorkshire for health reasons after "errors of judgement" with his expenses, -Bristol taxi driver who cut up cyclist and braked in front of him has licence revoked (+ video), -Porn Pedallers to carry on riding despite being stripped of British Cycling affiliation. Next time you watch, ask yourself how many of his critiques are aimed against non-Anglophone riders. Kirby remarks, Its not like a written press where you can write something out and finesse it and shave it. He's probably too much of a joker,not serious enough, but has a 'springy' voice which is good to listen to. Please tell your friends: Ive read so many negative comments about Kirby that unlike most online petitions this one could work. 2023 Eurosport, a Warner Bros. With very little data being sent to them, and some pretty bad camerawork they have made a good fist of the event in Spain. You are as ill informed as Kirby. VN:So, what really is gained by being on-site? You must invest in an alarm upgrade to BT Redcare. It was a dreadfully high price to pay in my opinion to high but the suffering couldnt go on. This latest incident proves exactly that. You can use your lens. All crescendo sports deserve to be treated as such. For example, I know that Jakob Fuglsangs last name means bird song, which is a nice little thing. And yet, love him or loathe him, Kirbys voice is as intrinsically linked to the Tour de France, for Eurosport viewers at least, as other famous voices across the sporting spectrum. Its quite nice at the Tour de France that we have a roadbook and a history book of everything were going through. Also add in several alert mobile keyholders. How can someone who watches so much cycling know so little? While folk littering with gel wrappers is no doubt annoying, is it really up there with fly-tipping? He threw the toys out of the pram because his head is scrambled by these defeats. Before Kirby hits the airwaves, he touchesbase with Eurosport HQ in Paris,and then its time to take to the microphone. For no reason. . Stay tuned! There used to be a 35 metre rule which seems to be flouted these days. I'm not sure if it was security, medical or a photographer who hit him, but essentially there was braking with four riders on the ground and the bike flipped before landing on the riders. The sights and sounds of the race and the attention of aptitude in an ample pressroom can renounce some valuable chunks for a commentator. Live blog: "outrageous claims" - Tao Geoghegan Hart lays into Eurosport commentator Carlton Kirby, cyclists blamed for countryside litter - Twitter responds, Colnago e-bike, Jason Kenny, Jeremy Vine on close-passes, TdY teams, Peloton baby + more. Get the latest race news, results, commentary, and tech, delivered to your inbox. For mine, Carlton is the perfect commentator for the 'early shift' on long, flat grand tour stages. You also have picture breakdowns, sometimes audio breakdowns so weve got all that going on and we havent even got on to the racing yet!. 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There's also his lack of knowledge. e-bikes are very much the SUVs of the car world with every manufacturer seemingly keen to add at least one to their range to not miss out. 26/8/22: Stage 6 of the Vuelta, Kirby informs us (clearly based on nothing) that Mark Padun is 'a master' at descending in the wet (at that precise moment, Padun is descending very gingerly, taking pretty poor lines). Eurosport's Carlton Kirby. She talks about the background to the petition, which you can sign here, in this video. Always the hardest and most challenging role in such types of games is of a cycling commentator. Let us know what you think in the comments. The very aspect of commentating that requires filling the gaps spanning hours of no action is the reason. There is no discussion or debate, just chatter, articles, and just that. Can you imagine Paris-Roubaix with Kirby commentating? There are people who love what I do, and others who hate it, he admits. Kittel was completely shocked, and has been getting more and more upset as this Tour has gone on. Most races have one unit but the Tour de France has four double-decker units. ), there is a thread in the. He also never tells you who the riders on screen are - and if he does, he's usually wrong. He is now only four short. Id love to see this Eurosport commentator substantiate even 1% of the outrageous claims he makes. I am very sorry but he is just nowhere near the standards of messrs. Liggett, Boulting, Miller and Hatch. I can walk or drive the technical approach to the finish, which is gold. The atmosphere fills up with buzz from moment to moment that enthusiasm pushes the words out of the heart. At the moment I turn up to a large building that has been stripped of staff, and there are just 16 people in the building. Conversely, a Carlton Kirby Fan Club exists for those who love the cycling commentator. Not that itsa straightforward drive to the finish at the Tour, as Kirby explains. Some of which have been admitted, some of which weren't. View our media pack. There have always been deaths since the early 1900s from vehicle-related incidents. Carlton Kirby As a Post Graduate Broadcast Journalist Carlton's Television career began with the BBC as a News and Sports Reporter. But not today in the Vuelta or yesterday, and this is the first time I have heard Kirby commentating. Thankfully, no tree roots to overcome. If you're after one, guess that does makethe two grand plus 40 quid a month price tag seem a little fairer A mother from London has launched a petition calling for a second coroner's inquest into the death of her daughter, who passed away at nine years of age in what was originally believed to be an asthma-related case. Apologies it's in super annoying meme form (we couldn't find the originalsource) but this is too good not too share! Ive been up the Galibier. Some pros think so, plus more tech news from Shimano, Zwift, Le Col, Dahon, Fairlight + more, Pick-up truck driver crashes into group of cyclists, leaving two dead and 11 injured. Eurosport's lead cycling commentator Carlton Kirby presents a weekly guide to everything that's NOT happening in the sport this year, with stories and reflections from his 25 years in the gantry. hatcher - are you Harmon's mum? Mark Cavendish crossed the line first, and said Kittel came up to slap him in the back. I could paint the Galibier and Ventoux and even some of the rarer mountains by memory. But, being in the studio means there is a considerable loss of interaction. Can you at least extend our premium subscriptions so we can play all races, until you fix the issue? Various types of distractions are always ready for a commentator. It just stays online forever. You have to say who they are, where they are on the road, what colour theyre in and call the tactics and often all within 30-45 seconds of sheer hell and manic action. Even once the race itself is over, and the post-analysis is done, theres a second race to get away from the finish line. In the second episode of Story Time with Carlton Kirby, the Eurosport commentator reads an excerpt from his book (Magic Spanner) about how British cycling caused a seismic change in the. Twaddle. Without any editing, moderation, or credibility, it is all out in the name of fate. Mark thought it was congratulations, but it was Kittel hitting him on the back in frustration. They only received compensation a couple of years later. The commentators day doesnt juststart when the racing does, with research and planning underwayas soon as breakfast is taken. I think you need to be a specialist to be a cycling commentator, yet he covers several sports on Eurosport. I had almost no idea what was going on or who was where. March 2, 2022 . pic.twitter.com/TkvUUUeBXs. On the descent, motorbikes often get too close to the cyclist in front of them. It is all well having experience, but at some of the smaller races who are the guys riding these bikes? Carlton Kirby discusses the art of commentary, says thank you to those who enjoy listening to him. Such things impact ones reputation a lot, and there is no way around it. I comfort myself with the fact that there are people out there who actually hate Terry Wogan. 14 Aug 2020. https://yahoo.uservoice.com/forums/1698 ant-drivel, http://www.ten-tenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85131. London live show preview! Carlton Kirby: 'Joo Almeida, who won't worry anyone in the General Classification'. Its Kirbys cheat sheetfor every stage in the race, with details of the top finishers, jersey wearers, men in the breakaway and so on. Kirby has the benefit of what he calls the ultimate pass the presence of his legendary co-commentator when it comes to cutting through the crowds and police lines. My Ultimate Commuter, rebuilding her at the moment, everything external. Carlton Kirby and His Approach On Commenting for GCN and Eurosport This Year: While cycling commentator Carlton Kirby and his teammates would normally head across the channel for the Tour de France, the recent situation suggests he will be covering the 2020 edition from the Eurosport studios in London. Story Time with Carlton Kirby: Mankini's and mechanicals | "The pictures were all over the news. Me too. Painting a verbal picture of a five-hour race is stream of consciousness, and to be able to do that effectively, you just need to be there. The commentary line-up will include regular voices Rob Hatch and Carlton Kirby, who will also joined by cycling legend Sean Kelly at all three major races. Astonishingly though, a single stage of the Tour de France lasts for about more than six hours. He has to engage with the directors in the ear, guarantee that innumerable hours of gaps are filled in suitably, deal with incoming radio announcements, all the while tackling an uproar of a different kind with the action around him. "Oh! VN:When youre at the race, who are you talking to regularly to get your intel for the broadcast? What is the point? Shouldnt be that hard to organise with so many people here able to talk eloquently and intelligently for 4 hours. Went for a bike ride earlier today. You could hear a pin drop. I like him. Yeah he does. In my ear I have a producer telling me when we have interviews, drop-in features, ad breaks and cue points.. 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The actual bones of the job are quite similar. He clearly thinks he's the star of the show. You have entered an incorrect email address! COME ON WRITE TO EUROSPORT AND LETS GET HIM OFF ! Tao Geoghegan Hart (@taogeoghegan) March 25, 2019. Set the scene for us. We have Sean Kelly, Stephen Roche, Magnus Backstedt, Dean Downing, Rob Hayles and David Harmon (who although is not the best at least it seems he is really doing some research and background checks on the riders and teams - he is clearly learning from Kelly as they sit in the box)but Kirby doesnt even do any background research. I tweeted quite a few comments which clearly annoyed him. Where is the central body that has its own rules of discipline and rules of engagement that respect distance protocol and passing protocol under the race director? Cavendish swept to his second win at the Tour of Turkey with another . Nah, Harmon is clued up. We met a young boy and young girl who recently lost their mum, and its really sad when you see that side of it. We get to see our own output with our team interviewing the riders. Eurosport have a lot of these, so theres a lot of conversation going on in your ear [between producers] and its quite a task trying to keep the flow of what you are saying, Kirby says. I would rather have the sound off than listen to his pathetic attempts to link words and phrases together rather than comment on the racing (as opposed to being able to identify riders) about which he knows precious little. He is rubbish Eurosport have many other far better options we need a decent commentator not Carltons partridge esque musings. And then on day one on Utah beach..boom..Cavendish stuns the previously unbeatable German racer. All material FarrellyAtkinson (F-At) Limited, Unit 7b Green Park Station BA11JB. But he's British and that's all that matters to Kirby. It is a free-for-all. When asked about the criticism, Kirby opined Its not like the written press where you can write something out and finesse it and shave it, I dont have that gift. He kept on saying, Its gone, its irretrievable. Cookies help us deliver our services. Harmon's attitude can best be described as 'wogs begin at Calais'. You might remember an 'interpretive spinning' vid doing the rounds on social media a few weeks ago. You get the mood of the crowd, and of the press. If it goes on for two or three years, then people will notice because the freshness of what is in our heads will ebb. He has poor knowledge and really just annoys everyone. Also, Kirby criticises riders in almost every race. So many other cycling commentators on Eurosport. But there are always other lines to cross, and he just loves collecting these plaudits and the deserved success coming his way is just brilliant. Discovery company. To show no fear is the best skill of all. Are you sure? After my tweet he at least toned that down. Eurosport's lead cycling commentator's weekly guide to what's not going on in cycling during the lockdown. Carlton Kirby is a sports commentator who is most known for his work commentating on the Tour de France. Carlton Kirby: No matter if youre in a mobile unit at the finish, or in a studio with air conditioning and a coffee machine, youre doing the same thing, the view out the window is just different. It is amusing that explaining this is futile, he remarks. Well then I propose a CN forum audio livestream for the tour de france. ), there is a thread in the Eurosport 'comments and suggestions' forum requesting that he be removed from the roster. Riders have lost their ability to race, says LeMond, Nacer Bouhanni handed penalty, fined for shove. Uhhh, Ill say Bettiol. Unlike other sports, the practicalities of cycling dont change, and doing this remotely is not at all a good idea, but the situation makes all helpless. When all the commentators from different nationalities are inside the same studio room, it is no longer the same as before, remarks Kirby, in a monotonous tone. One thing Ive always been able to do is, I believe, see a very wide picture and a lot of different movement, and call those fast and accurately. . What a load of rubbish - Team Sky Fan !! I can get caught out, particularly if theres a crash in the last three kilometres, because that can animate the tempo even more and I have to keep something in reserve for the sprint finish. For me Kirby has the key ingredient I need from a commentator. Thats when it down to you and not the riders.. Kirby is a shockingly bad commentator, but Harmon is not much better. And this sort of meaningless, demented jabber is not at all unusual I could have chosen many examples just from today. It's their commentators or silence. I could get 20 minutes of commentary out of dinner last night. The Vuelta a Espana used to be the worst of the Grand Tours because theyd have transitions day of 250km across a desert. Eurosport's lead cycling commentator Carlton Kirby presents a weekly guide to everything that's NOT happening in the sport . Harmon LOVES cycling, cycling history, and even riders who don't speak English. As for Kirby - its the arrogance of the bloke - does he think his viewers are 10 year olds who know NOTHING about cycling. Tech in brief: new gear from Shimano, Park Tool, Wahoo and more Tech in brief: new gear from Shimano, Park Tool, Wahoo, Tortec and more Vitus launch three bikes for cyclo-cross season. Especially on unstable surfaces. Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis, says Carlton Kirby, a principal commentator for Eurosports cycling coverage, who has worked in the sport since 1996. "Commentating on cycling is not like snooker or tennis," says Carlton Kirby, principal commentator for Eurosport's cycling coverage, who has worked in the sport since 1996. But Mark Cavendish says no: what the track does is make you think fast, it makes you think within a very tight set of circumstances. Riders having to get close to a motorbike just to take a corner. Its that melting pot of information that you get on-site. The Tour forces us to have dinner. Tom Owen vents his fury after cycling blogger highlights verbal abuse on Box Hill, Geraint Thomas returns as domestique in experienced nine-man line-up, Summit finishes dominate opening fortnight with potentially pivotal time trial in final week, The best of the gear that's dropped into RCUK over the last couple of weeks, One carbon bike and two alloy models for 2016 'cross campaign from Chain Reaction Cycles' in-house bike brand. Valverde gets it very, very wrong!" exclaimed . Kirby continues to put his notes togetheronce hearrives at the commentary booth, reading the local press andKellys grasp of colloquial French coming into its own. I just wish we had Liggett and Kelly doing the Grand Tours. Simon Clarke, who should have won the 2016 Milan-San Remo is just one in a long, long line of things he invents from nowhere and then portrays as facts, banging on about them throughout a season. Whether they be dusty in the summer or wet in the winter, motorcycles are far too dangerous and get far too close to the bikes. As for the Sky Team Fans member - you wouldnt actually be Mr Kirby would you ???? I can't understand why Eurosport need to use him when they gave at least four other knowledgeable commentators, even without Harmon. Being on the site always gives you extra material which makes the commentating so natural and energetic. Carlton learnt his trade as a commentator in Motorsport and Speedway while the holy trinity of Phil Ligget (ITV), David 'Duffers' Duffield (Eurosport) and Hugh Porter (BBC) had all the cycling tied up between them. Yes Harmon is okay and like I said - at least he does his homework on the teams and riders and hangs on every word uttered by Sean Kellyas though he is keen to learn the professional circuit. Carlton Kirby pete54 Posts: 488 March 2014 edited October 2019 in Pro race For all those who can't stand Kirby's 'commentary' (must be everyone on Bikeradar? All of that is avoidable if you have the right distance and the right protocol in place. A new bike is coming very soon! Juan Antonio Flecha and Johnny Hoogerland were sent into barbed wire on the Tour de France because the France TV van was about to hit a tree having a run out of road, but took the softer option of the riders. The breaks going to go up the road, theyre going to be allowed anything up to 15 minutes of an advantage and everyone else is just having a chat including us., All the other commentators from all the other nations and all their information are in the same room, so you often get people saying: Have you heard this?, with loads of things to share. Kirby has more than two decades as a. But saves my life" German governments helmet advert sparks sexism row, Bristol taxi driver who cut up cyclist and braked in front of him has licence revoked (+ video), Porn Pedallers to carry on riding despite being stripped of British Cycling affiliation, in: Car crashes into building - please post your Local news stories, in: Has cycling become F1? CK:Its pretty bleak. Riders who perhaps finished tenth on a day will be livid that we didnt eulogise about them, but Im sorry, I was talking about the person who finished first. VN:Whats it like calling a race from back home at the studio? They will tell you, Yes, so-and-so is looking really mentally fatigued, or, they are saying, Hes getting very aggressive in the peloton and weve had a word with the team, that is all great information. In the mountains, when you have say four significant peaks to climb, the day tells itself and often all you have to do is call it as it happens. You have engineers popping in and out, you have guests from the different languages, and the only thing separating us from the Germans, on our left, and the French, on our right, are thin sound walls its completely open at the back, he says. The headline does anyway, while the sources in the article cover a few different potential causes. If youve watched Eurosport cycling, you'll know. There has to be some kind of distance applied and minimal standards of what is needed. Star names like Sagan getting knocked off and knocked out of races. There are some other sports, like cycling, where the commentary has to be complete. The current situation has made things difficult, where previously they would head over to the channel to cover Tour De France, now they sit in their studios and practice social distancing and looking at monitors. The schedule and time duration work differently for every sport. Hosted by Duncan Steer. At least he can string a sentence together and he seems to bring good comments out of Backstedt. There are no points for each turn. So, our information can be slightly second-hand. Yep I always watch the ITV coverage if possible - even if that means missing the stage live and watching the highlights package (like the vuelta). The man, the myth, the chosen son. As a small example, he started talking to Magnus Backstedt about tyre widths the other day ("weren't you the 27 mm guy?") Doesn't look that pretty, cable tied, very practical. Page 6 - Get up to date with the latest news, scores & standings from the Cycling News Community. Plus the the week's top tech news, in: Flying Tom Pidcock wins Strade Bianche, in: Cyclists call on council to reconsider unsafe diversion, in: Call for Scottish safety portal that would "deliver justice", in: Campaigners: Remove pedestrian vs cyclist conflict, in: Highway Code changes haven't helped cyclists, Near Miss of the Day 853: Driver of lorry urging cyclists to Please take extra care near this vehicle fined for close pass (includes swearing), Continental unveils the "strongest" and "fastest" ever Grand Prix 5000 tyre models, Brompton boss frustrated to be fighting "war of attrition" against rip-off rivals, Remove conflict between cyclists and pedestrians, urge campaigners in wake of manslaughter case, Have bike tech wars turned cycling into Formula 1? He inspires such devotion that he has his own fan club, yet also is on the receiving end of a petition to get him sacked. And, one can understand the enthusiasm that has kept him going despite the setbacks and even criticism from people. The walls do move when they pile in too. Carlton Kirby: 'Joo Almeida, who won't worry anyone in the General Classification'. And then, you hang a look at anyone who is there to find out if theyre going to listen to you. It is amusing that explaining this is futile, he remarks. Owned by Warner Bros. When youre on-site, even though youre there, youre still watching a monitor, Kirby says. But I do allow people to believe Im always on-site. #GPDenain pic.twitter.com/2DsagK73lS, Wanty-Gobert Cycling Team (@TeamWantyGobert) March 24, 2019. Carlton's voice is familiar to fans of Motorsports and Cycling both on British Television and throughout the world. When we drive to the finish well usually get on the course, because were badged up to do it, and then make notes. To cycling fans, Carlton Kirby's voice has become synonymous with the sport, having become an integral part of British Eurosport's race coverage. I think its just taking a breath and think about the consequences, he concluded. Learn More, Blog: Abusing other cyclists highlights everything wrong with cycling in Britain, Chris Froome backed by strong Team Sky squad for Vuelta a Espana, Vuelta a Espana 2015 route: five stages which could decide the race, Vuelta a Espana 2015: five stages which could decide the race. And it is at that point, Cav comes out of the shadows to mug him at the line. Ive fallen off the Galibier. I realise that commentating on a race involving nearly 200 riders is challenging, but since 1986 I have always been able to follow what is going on thanks to the commentary. Eurosport is transmitting the same amount of races as any standard european tv channel - go to Italy where it is their number 2 sport next to football - they dont struggle for professional sports commentators. Read our full Privacy Policy as well as Terms & Conditions. VeloNews: Whats the biggest difference for you when youre commentating on a race from back home, instead of attending the event? why must us cyclists have to tolerate a commentator who has no knowledge of professional cycling. A football match lasts for hardly ninety minutes, a rugby match is over in eighty minutes, whilst a basketball game takes only thirty-eight minutes to finish. To my mind, the motorcycles are the most dangerous because they have the least ability to stop. I talk about the same stuff, except Im making it up. "In tennis you never talk through a point because the crowd don't. In certain sports, you have to respect the action, and then you comment on it. Among an awful lot of distractions, as Carlton Kirby explains, commentating on cycling is an arduous process. CK:Ive been doing bike races live and on-site since 1996. Eurosport's lead cycling commentator Carlton Kirby has called for action to regulate the role of motor vehicles in the sport following the tragic death of Belgium's Antoine Demoitie, who was. He further says, "In tennis, you never talk through a point because the crowd doesn't. You get a sense of the weather a bright morning, going up this morning in a hail storm, and the hailstones are this big. Im a bit annoyed at myself because I lost my temper at the time. There are many great cycling commentators around at the moment, Im afraid Kirby isnt one of them. Following a two year broadcasting secondment with the United Nations in the South Pacific he joined ITV as TVams overnight Sports Producer and Reporter. pic.twitter.com/fFcEf0AgHK, Volta a Catalunya (@VoltaCatalunya) March 25, 2019. Dan's stage guides at the giro a few years ago were great. At other broadcasters you still have cue points, but its usually after youve finished making a point [because youre the only commentary team]. His Grand National, Murray Walker shouting in the last 2 kilometres really is unbelievable.
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