See each listing for international shipping options and costs. Customer Service. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. back for a Christmas gift for his son. Oh, and dont use your telephone to order them, either. I take all three to the range regularly in the appropriate recreation leather. The 1858 Remington-Beals got the nod because of the top strap (previous buy didnt, Navy in .36) and it came with an extra cylinder. With 20 grains, it shoots like a charm, so much so that Ive never loaded it any heavier. I've heard the stories of ASM's being of poor quality, however these two .45's are very nice. He sent it back twice because of some minor issues, but its a nice gun for ~$200. Rust and pitting on metal. The 2nd ASM is a Colt SAA clone, the EMF "Hartford" model. Gauge: 44 percussion. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. Black Powder Revolver Manual. I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. I use the same 452s in my bps that my wife uses in her .45 acp both 452s with the ring shear it is still .450. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. A black powder gun IS NOT considered a fire arm! Cimarron Thunderer and It was the Top Overall prize at a shoot in NM about 1993. The nature of the weapon makes no difference; one is just as deadly, and in the same way as the other. Very cool stuff. I ended up giving it to an NRA black powder teacher to use for show and tell, (to show his class how to ruin a beautiful piece by not properly cleaning before long term storage). WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. View cart for details. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Perfect for display and target shooting. ). Nice! A pietta .36 target sighted Remington 1858 was a beautiful pistol but I could not get it to shoot accurately. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. No, there is little if any chance "any" parts you currently see, other than springs, that would work in an ASM. 44 BP; fair bore, good stock, 4'' barrel, Made in Spain. These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard I also had 2 spare cylinders. I dont use grease on the cylinder. Barrel: 12 inch Contact Fingers McGee or Driftwood Johnson. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. swap out ok between the same model like the 1860 Army? They make the guns for Chiappa now and the quality is still the worst out of Italy. First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. I did not grease the shutgun one time and thought to fire it last. THE .44 Spec. Two Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: May 25, 2022. Exc condition, appears unfired. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Thanks in advance. Slim Fit Leather Jackets is an online store that sells jackets for men and women with free shipping all over the world! These two revolvers just feel better ergonomically than either the Uberti .357's or the USFA .38 Special revolvers I have. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. Lock needs attention, hammer won't hold., s/n 346xx. Youre reloaded. Rolling Thats meat harvesting and theres nothing wrong with it. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. But its not hunting. Mechanically fine., s/n C216xx, 44 BP; 90% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, Made in Italy. The Colt type sighting was crude, to say the very least! Replica Arms of El Paso, TX was started by L.F. Allen. It was so bad, I did something I have never done before, or sinse; I had an action job done. The thing now runs great, and I enjoy shooting it when I do. I havent shot black powder in a long time. FINISH SHOWS LIGHT FADING WITH LIGHT HIGH-EDGE WEAR. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST Despite my kill, in my opinion, its not strong enough but fun as a backup which is why I used it. I have developed a load for this gun, I call, The Medical Examiners Special! I call it thus, because I am convinced that anyone who tried to assault me, and who I hit Fair & Square twixt Wind & Water with it, well, the only Doctor who would be able to assist the person thus shot, would be The Medical Examiner! Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 Also, I would personally spend a small amount more and buy a steel frame pistol instead of a brass frame. My very first Cap & Ball Revolver was replica of aaan1860 Colt Army Revolver. Its parts will interchange with all 3 of my Colt 2nd Gen 1851, except the barrel (the pins at the front of the frame are placed differently). . Being a Cavalryman Ive always loved the 1858s, 1860s and 1873s. Barrel: 12 inch I boil all my cylinders in a saucepan, and pour boiling water through the barrels of the guns. If you boil your cylinders in a saucepan, then fish them oout with a slim piece of doweling, by the time they are cool enough to touch with the hand, ALL the water will have evaporated from the heat,and you can start right in re-loading them. Or something like that. THE FRAME AND HAMMER RETAINS APPROX 90% OF THEIR COLORS.. Used, grip strap wear and shows handling. In between, he was granted US Patent No. Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. On a Remington 1858, all you have to do is flip down the loading lever, pull the cylinder pin forward, and ECCO! Regular gun solvents cant remove the black powder salts. 36 BP; excellent bore, excellent stock, 9.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Italy. The heavier loads are a bitch on my wrists so Ido plinking at about 20 grains. All you have to do is go inside of a gun made by them and you will see how bad it is. Lightning Manual. Estimated Price: $400 - $600. Not Richards Mason, but Richards like Tom Selleck had in "Sabre River". Youll love it! ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Plain walnut grips. The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. 36 Caliber; 70% blue, good bore, good grips, 7.5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1861 REVOLVER IN GOOD CONDITION. I had one and stupidly traded it for a nice 1911. BRASS TRIGGER GUARD / GRIP ASSEMBLY. Well its interesting still. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. The only real lemon was an ASM. 10s will probably be best. The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. and they sent me a Pietta trigger which fit just fine. Bore and chambers in very good+ 36 Caliber; 97% blue, very good+ bore, very good+ grips, 6.58'' barrel, Pietta Remington 1858 revolver, 6 shot, 36. caliber with very good bore and chambers, slight surface corrosion in the chambers. Water is definitely the very best way to get rid of Black Powder fouling. I remember this because I had a pair of them at the time this came up. Nope. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. Buffalo. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. Many folks have made the same mistake, though. Gauge: 44 percussion. Action functions fine., s/n 0181xx. They were based primarily on the early 1st. Though the guns be identical, the first is free of any legal imcumberance, while the second has an FFL holder and a waiting period to deal with. He would also GIVE to Government Officials, very fine engraved Pistols, beautifully engraved with Silver of Gold, to U.S. This was when ASM/Chaparral was making the infamous 73's and 66's. Hot water dissolves the salts in black powder fouling and heats the metal so it dryes fast and prevents flash rust. Colonel in Texas Army. THE BRIGHT BLUING IS EVEN THROUGHOUT. Great writeup of a gun that has been on my list for a while. Not that it cant be done. WOW , thanks for the history , I do see parts ,lighter springs even cylinders for these guns BUT not with the ASM manufacture ,parts are crossed to gun type like "1851 navy" ,would one say theres a strong chance they would work in ASM brand "1851 navy" ? Have fun. 1860 Henry Manual. I have heard it all about these weapons not having the power to stop anything bigger than a deer or coyotes. Silliness aside, I had little to no interest in black powder until I was at the range next to an older fellow firing rounds through an old muzzle loader rifle. New in Box-never fired. When Puma started having the 92's made by them instead of Rossi in Brazil, they increased the prices but not the workmanship. New in Box-never fired. NRA Life, Ozark Posse, Southern Missouri Rangers, Bear Creek Volunteers, Dooley Gang, Geezer Gang. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The Kirst conversion is named after probably the most famous cinematic example of the 1858 Remington rapid cylinder change, the final gunfight from Clint Eastwoods Pale Rider. My days of reloading by the thousands are past, so a pair of these are a real find at less then $300 bucks. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion (not by much) sInce they use the .44 barrel boared for .22s, the strength is well past ridiculous, even for the .22 Magnum. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 Yup means I cant sell a converted C&B without using an FFL. 1873 Rifle Manual. The cylinder! First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. Now, 155 years later, you can still buy brand new versions of Fordyces design, mostly made in Italy. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Armi San Marco was a family owned gun maker in Brescia, Italy. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. The conversion cylinders are also not regulated, so you can get all of those you want and no one has any record of it.. Blued finish, brass triggerguard, with walnut grips. Thanks for giving some info on the handgun side of the black powder world. Often the outside contour dimensions will differ at the bottom of the barrel lug at the frame, but that's not a critical thing. I've never had any problems with them. They are both shooters and I believe they will have a blast with this next time I visit. Actually percussion caps come in different sizes. My First Colt Style Gun, and my Last Colt style gun! I am not convinced about black powder handguns for deer hunting. 1866 Rifle Manual. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. Thank God I had my Reminton. (#% or 40 grains.) Ramrod present. Anyway it worked, never had a problem since. Put some lube over the ball to prevent chain fire. I have a used stainless Army San Paolo 1858 Remington that I got off Gunbroker several years ago and still havent fired it. Something went wrong. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. I was watching them in the 80s and was able to watch all of the Clint Eastwoood movies multiple times. In the beginning, I had a pair of ASM Colt clones. Later David. Fingers on triggers, especially that Civil War vet. FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR WITH LIGHT WEAR, SPECKLING AND LIMITED PITTING VISIBLE ON THE CYLINDER. This gun was thoroughly rebuilt by Oglesby & Oglesby and is a fine revolver having had the cylinder and hammer re-hardened, and wire springs installed, including the Ruger style coil handspring and plunger. Used Blued 1858 Cylinder Pins (will fit Pietta and ASM) 4 ea. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & New in Box-never fired. 20?) View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium BORE IS GOOD WITH GOOD 36 Caliber; 60% blue, fair bore, good grips, 5'' barrel, REPRODUCTION OF 1851 NAVY REVOLVER. One good smack on the percussion caps, and BOOM! Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). Type: Revolver. So based upon my experience, ASM is a solid hit or a wide miss. I've had to do very little fitting on Uberti or Pietta replacement parts - Hammer/trigger/hand/bolt/cylinder/loading lever. Looks a lot like the Ruger. 1883 Burgess Manual. A recruit, playing (Hopefullly with an UN-Loaded revolver!) Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. I have a LeMat replica, fine in every way except the rammer being a piss poor design, and the two-mode hammer not working well in shotgun position. And they still shoot just as straight and true as the originals. Two were pretty good while the third and last was not. what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns ? View more auctions here. To add to the confusion Chiappa did purchase the 92 rifle tooling and left over parts from ASM. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . If you want to make a guy worth killing, this should do it. A home run! Hooray for water! The greatest going away gift I ever got in my 25 years in the Army was the Uberti 1873 with my name and callsign engraved on the barrel that the guys in my battalion gave me when I left command. I am convinced that the ONLY Reason that Colt got so many Government Contracts for this revolver design, was that he was a very good salesman! In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Many, many thanks for making this information public. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. All Armi San Marco black powder cap and ball and cartridge conversion models were discontinued in 2000. There, you should find a roman numeral or two character alphabetical stamp. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. I went out of my tent and I could barely see but there was a big ass bear looking at me about 20 feet away. Wow, TTAG must be monitoring my TV; this review came on here while Im watching The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly. WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester What size/type primers are best? I got to fire a few cap and ball revolvers when on holiday in Italy. We recently got our reader-responsive electronic monitoring and drone surveillance program up and running. Not only is that the right way to hunt, deer that go down fast and clean taste better. So I fire the shotgun first now, and cuss at the rammer, and have 9 chambers of wholy fun otherwise. Both can be fixed just like Colt fixed them in the day. Today, we know Old Number 21478 as the Remington 1858 . I had one of the Pietta 1858 Remingtons and while I enjoyed shooting it and learning about the history and evolution of firearms, the cleaning requirements are intense. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. Theres something fun about putting the Glock 30 away and taking out the Peacemaker. WebArmi San Marco ASM 2nd Model Dragoon ASM 1847 Walker ASM 1849 Pocket ASM 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1858 1863 pocket ASM 1860 Army ASM 1861 Navy ASM 1862 1849 Wells Fargo ASM 1873 Single Action ASM 1892 Categories Armi San Marco Beretta Pedersoli Uberti Pietta Armi Sport [Chiappa] IAB [Pedretti] Sharps KIRST Oh MY when I fired the first revlver chamber flash fired the shotgun too, with a full ounce of buckshot. 1885 Low Wall Manual. In the Remington Revolver, the cap is struck by the hammer, AFTER it passes through the slot in the Recoil Shield! The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. I shot ASM 58's in my early years. Great article and comments, So, they tended to go out of time prematurely, particularly for CAS. Take that, and cross reference it the list below. In a way, you could say it was two guns in one! Take that, and cross reference it the list below. In the original box serial numbered to the gun. In my opinion, I don t think its enough. Armi San Marco first started making a Colt 1873 replica in the middle 1980s. I considered making a set of lamps out of them but decided to give them away at 1/3 of what I paid for them. My neighbor has a deer lease with a very comfortable raised blind. I have a Pietta target model I like to take with me backpacking. Cimarron Thunderer and A few years ago the trigger just wore out. Model: 1858. The other great thing about the cap-and-ball revolvers is that they are not considered firearms, so you can buy all you want and have them shipped to your door. 1885 High Wall Manual. I have been told of caps jamming up a Remington Revolver, but in over Twenty Years of shooting Remingtons, have not had a single jam caused by a cap! Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. If you slip when cocking the hammer you can set a cap off. WebArmi San Marco Black Powder Revolvers Remington 1858 Army & Navy Parts List Sort by: Show Available 0 Schematic w/ Parts List 1 Barrel 2 Barrel Stud 3 Loading Lever Latch 4 Loading Lever Latch Spring 5 Latch Pin 6 Loading Lever 7 Loading Lever Link Pin 8 Loading Lever Link 9 Plunger 12 Loading Lever Screw 13 Base Pin 14 Cylinder 16 Bolt 17 These models have steel frames with German silver plated backstrap and trigger guard, inspectors cartouche on grip, and trade for approximately $20-$40 higher than standard Remington. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52778, A. Uberti & C. Cattleman 1873 Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. 1885 Low Wall Manual. About 150 ft-lbs Energy Snapped back so hard the hammer tore a chunk of meat from my thumb. Selleck also used a Winchester 1876, and there are various Winny models all over town. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. The 12 month average price is $290.50 new and $284.87 used. Chiappa (I visited them too) it a totally different story, rather "big" factory. I just purchased an ASM replica of a 1858 Remington 44 and was wondering if anyone had any information about it. A nice write-up and while it may be legal to take deer with the load described I would note that said load has less power than the 44-40 out of a m-92 carbine, a close range proposition to be sure. THE LOCK IS IN THE WHITE. But, since he doesn't shoot "cowboy" any more it's part of my backup pair to my main Colt guns). One of these has been on my list of stuff to get for a long, long time. re-grease, assemble, and go shoot for another year! http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. Any help would be appreciated. I respect your opinion, but roll my eyes when you try to state that as a matter of fact when its an opinion. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. PS: if you want to do more target shooting, but find yourself having to sell your wife, EAA (European/American Arms (Germany) makes some beautiful peacemakers replicas in everything from 44 mag to 22 LR (the latter comes with a second cylinder for the robust little 22 magnum). This version features improved accuracy. It's not my "go to" rifle, (that is an AWA Lightning) but now that it's been worked on, it's a nice one. Colt .36 with 21 grains. That's your build date. Gauge: 44 percussion. Bore in very good condition with surface corrosion, however the barrel is bulged slightly. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . For an 1858, the standard Remington caps will work brilliantly. percussion caps are NOT standard size. Any you can look our website about turbo http://www.j2fastmotorsports.com/. They supplied American retailers with replica firearms over the 1960s thru 1990s. Anyone have any experience with hunting large animals with cap and ball guns? Thank God I did not shoot my dog that had to have 62 stitches. In the interest of keeping shooters out of prison, I will wade in. I will probably get a short-barreled Sheriff model later this year. Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. The cylinders are pricey, it cost as much as the gun, but I have gotten over the price and enjoy the heck out of shooting and reloading 45s. Im 75, so I move a bit slower than earlier today. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. New in Box-never fired. The guns worked flawlessly in stock form when I sold them. Always like the Remington over the Colt design ever since seeing Lorne Greenes on Bonanza as a kid. He examined the gun and proclaimed it one of the good ones and made me a really good offer that I applied to a like new in box NMV. 1883 Burgess Manual. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why . I have several cap-and-ball revolvers, all made by Pietta. Finish in very good condition with some scratches and nicks. I took 2 quick shots at about 70 yards (yes, too far, I know) one round hit its head, the deer dropped. ARMI SAN MARCO .45 LC Hartford Model Box Papers Manual Spring, Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco, Armi San Marco dragoon pistol grips pearl / gold leaf plastic, Armi San Marco Hawkeye/Ridgerunner Reference copy single page 7.5x11Diagram, SAN MARCO - ROAD BIKE - SADDLE - ROLLS - GOLD RAILS, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. We raise cattle, same thing. Easier to load and clean. Changes were made in the production guns to make sure they could not be passed off as an original. Johnnie Roper. It would sure be cool to see a review of the Colt competitors