Most swords do not . antique or of recent vintage. The saya/scabbard number should be on the top of the scabbard, where it's covered when the sword is sheathed. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. Some of these bone swords will have very low grade metal mountings, commonly with the Tokugawa mon incised into or embossed on the mountings. The above items are only a general guide. Also, the tang on this is full length, with two holes. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. Seppa intergrated in the fuchi is a no go here. June 23, 2016 in Military Swords of Japan. The serial #'s are the best place to focus IMHO. Required fields are marked *. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement. C $158.47 + C $66.38 . Here are the expected photos of the serial numbers. This scabbard also has an original leather field cover, which has discolored and shrunk over time. Something changed in the last 6 months. Please see our. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. I just want an accurate reproduction. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. All NCO swords were numbered. WW II era swords will show prominent grain (hada). The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. The blades in these items are all "soft steel" and have etched temperlines 2- no screw is used as per T-95 usual fashion on the hilt but a special screw assembly located on the pommel and holed for the sword knot. Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! If the blade is aluminum, the sword is not Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! Sorry for the bad news. $159.50. "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. Rare 1st Type with matching numbers "4428" on blade and scabbard. Grain does not determine age. A great early war example at a low price; yours for ? The reverse is also not true - if a sword is not signed does not mean it is machine made. Obvious two issues are the scabbard pattern and additional screw. Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! original copper coloured paint and is in very good shape. from China swords may likewise not be sharpened down to the habaki; however, most WW II swords were not. It's hard to really pin down, just doesn't sit right with the eye. These take that shape of various dragon figures, Japanese peasants, fish etc. Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). I opted for the lower end of the market and went for a Type 95 (this is all new to me and only found this out through google) NCO Shin Gunto. The hilt paint is only about 30%, but still shows much of the yellow accent paint. But a small percentage made its way back to the United States and into the collector market. The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. There are collectors in China, and if they need more, they can buy them. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. Be sure to read Reproductions and Fakes. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. I admit that I've had to look at it a couple of times. I use it to post different and new varieties of fake 95s. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. Clear editor. I agree and have never been able to put it into words like you just did. So all of these swords are offered on egun.de, schwertshop.de and other german sellers. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. Given the large jump in value that NCO swords have experienced in the last few years and given how relatively easy it is to copy something that is cast and milled without a lot of hand work involved, I think it is only a matter of time, and not much time at that, before the fakes are indistinguishable from the real thing. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. A new sword was pointed out to me recently which is very well made and in fact at first glance addresses a lot of the issues with obvious fakes. They don't need to read the NMB daily to see if there are any tips. Paste as plain text instead, These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. Yes, those are strangely too perfect and not a recognized font. will show tiny dots/specks (nioi and/or nie) along and between the border of the hamon and the rest of the blade. Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! This was a tough one! You may severely injure yourself and/or damage the sword. You cannot re-wrap the hilt with the silk cord that was removed. There are numerous This is why the education side of collecting is so important!! Hi all,while I'm sure our members know how to pick a fake NCO, I wanted to share these.http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=277http://mountcastlesantiques.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=18&products_id=276&zenid=qot0424cgushvekob07rapkkq2The really disappointing part is that I informed the site owner about the first sword and provided a comprehensive list of indicators the sword is not genuine. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. antique blades were left unsigned or have had their signatures (mei) lost over time. The Kokura Arsenal did not produce any Type 95 Shin Gunto but over-saw the production of these swords so its identification stamp is often found on Type 95 swords. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Last Ditch Complete Bolt With Matching Serial Numbers at the best online prices at eBay! Original Item: Only One Available. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. Mission Ready, Qualified & Competent, On Time Execution! I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. or old wood sticks. Check the military sword page for examples of WW II era the rayskin (same') are prayer papers to protect the soldier in battle. I forgot to point out that inside the scabbard there are wooden inserts. blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. Modern replicas may look like antique swords; be it a tachi, katana, wakizashi or tanto. A real shooter with aim. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. Scabbard in very nice condition. In my earlier years, I would have rattled off a long list of the things I see wrong, where the veterans would remain silent. Funny story Paul. Your email address will not be published. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. Save japanese type 95 sword to get e-mail alerts and updates on your eBay Feed. Everything to know Japanese 95 nco swordPlease visit our Ebay store and subscribe to our channel https://www.ebay.com/str/thediamondmonkey42You will find in . Most of the Gun News That is Fit to Print! Thanks sean, Your email address will not be published. Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. Powered by Invision Community. Description. This is a blatant fake, which you should keep well away from. The Mechanix of Auto, Aviation, Militarypert near anything I feel relates to mechanical things, places, events or whatever I happen to like. a good first indicator. Scabbard retains around 70% of the original paint. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. once told the facts they simply. lonely panet. Even the once "lowly" type 95 NCO sword has started to command high prices. the market. & valuations. Referencing Carlo's post from last year, I also used to collect some German (for MANY years) and was quite confident in my ability to spot fakes, but I admit the quality is now off the charts (especially helmets) and it forced me totally out of that hobby. painted wood figures. (too The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. When ANY doubt exists as to the authenticity or It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. IMA works diligently to be aware of these ever changing laws and obeys them accordingly. Usually the copies are considerably lower, making it very obvious. The scabbard exhibits about 70% of its original olive brown. Serial number placement. Sword canes (Shikomi-zue) mostly have very low grade blades. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. That's why I addressed here. All NCO swords were numbered. Bruce has politely written exactly what my reply would have been. I need attribution not for sale, but for museum exhibit. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Identifying the Best Training, Tools, and Tactics for the Armed Civilian! The Phillips screw was only patented in 1932, and hadn't caught on in most of the world by WWII. If the tsuka can be dismanteld from sword with out removing the sarute and barrel, its a fake! They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. A real one would also be fine, but is too expensive for me. As we have a grater passion for and preservation in mind rather then profits as a dealer does. After that I heard nothing. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. . It has the correct arsenal markings on the hilt collar (fuchi) and blade, and the spacers (seppa) are cast and rounded, while the replicas are crudely cut. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Please see our. Real swords only had flat-head screws. 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The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. No habaki. On newer swords the file marks on the tang will be sharp and crisp. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. By the way, the MILLIONS of copy ROLEXS have not slowed the demand for the real thing, or stopped prices rising. Have a 3rd pattern nco Tokyo First Army Arsenal inspection mark "To" stamping serial number 141882 and wanted to know a possible year dating on that number range cheers Phil Quote Name: Stu W Posted March 7, 2014 Hi Phil, WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or This is a very scarce and important very early production Japanese Army Type 95 NCO Sword. This is due to the method The detail that troubles me is the saya suspension ring being in the right place. by differential tempering of the blade. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is As the tang rusts and ages, these become progressively smoother and less distinct. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. Learn how your comment data is processed. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. 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The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. There are some Chinese replicas of these out there, however this sword is definitely genuine. I do share Greys sentiment though. Opens in a new window or tab. Contact one of them for assistance. People can scoff at paranoia as much as you like but the simple fact is they are getting better, whether through study of originals or reading well intentioned post. Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? The hilt is complete with a functional metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. About eBay; By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. The aluminium hilt / tsuka has good amounts of its - all carved and The overall swords are getting better. Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. Close up and of kissaki and bohi termination is a must. Let's sum up. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. Fakes never get it right. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the I avoided buying into German WW2 helmets because of the fakes out there and now I've entered into another minefield. China has a rising group of wealthy individuals who are buying up cars, gold, realeatate, antiques and art at an alarming rate. Consult someone who is trained in tsuka-maki if you need to have a handle re-built. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. Blade is 26 1/4 inches long, with an overall length of 36 1/4inches. This one really annoys me. Posted October 27, 2017 These were made as tourist items from the 1870's through the 1930's. I figured it might be useful to others. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. Further Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. But it would really help to see that. Swords with carved bone handles and scabbards are One, they aren't in the correct range. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board http://ohmura-study.net/790.html. Guaranteed authentic: A WW2 Type 95 Japanese army NCO's sword, Kokura arsenal stamp. signed or not has little to do with determining if it is handmade or the age of the blade. / full sized images available upon request. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. Otherwise that is dangerously good to newcomers or unwary collectors looking for that ebay goldmine. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. Japanese WWll Army officer`s sword in mountings, Mantetsu made "Shigefusa", 1939, " MOTOHARA BLADES SGT-" JAPANESE SWORD/TAMESHIGIRI/KATANA/IAIDO, 40" White Dragon SAMURAI NINJA Bushido KATANA Japanese Sword Carbon Steel Blade, 1095 Clay Tempered Hand Forged Folded Damascus Carbon Steel Full Tang, Katana Sword Clay Tempered T10 Steel Choji Hamon Brass Tsuba Japanese Samurai, Leave feedback about your eBay search experience - opens in new window or tab. DO NOT UNWRAP THE HANDLE! Short fuller. Serial number 116501 with matching saya. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Even so, enough to fool a novice. Rarely is a high quality blade found in sword cane mounts; however, some of Do not undertake to dis-assemble a sword unless you know what you are There's a technical term for it in Australia. Greetings. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. WWII JAPANESE TYPE 98 ARMY SHIN-GUNTO SWORD!!! Akunin The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout WW2. Also, they definitely like those brass tsukas, don't they! Used. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. The seppa is a clear fake, and like everyone else said, the bo-hi starts too far down the blade and the tip is round (like a Nagoya). The machine-made blade is 26 inches long. The process of tsuka-maki (handle wrapping) is quite complicated. Always check. I din't know why the NCO swords are asked so strong. Second the Font isn't even close. Your link has been automatically embedded. Machine made blade is good condition. Display as a link instead, For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. Pasted as rich text. That's why I addressed here. The overall length is approximately 38 inches in the scabbard. I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. Your link has been automatically embedded. $4200. to another sword / scabbard. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. Didn't want to explain to much, because that sword copys get better and better. A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). I am extremely thankful for the help/knowledge shared in this forum. Paste as plain text instead, The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. Sorry Its not even a good fake. Would need in hand to see many more. As originally produced the saber included a leather finger loop inside of the guard, which was riveted to the basket guard. The early serial number shows this sword saw service throughout Shamsy Cut-out version brass tsuba. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. The NMB says so!" Original Item: Only One Available. This sword is actually pictured on page 191 of Dawson . The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. Most swords do not have matching numbers because somewhere along the life of the sword the scabbard was changed. Army NCO's Sword, matching serial numbers. There is a suspicion that this is a fake. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. in the hilt. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. National Guard Marksmanship Training Center. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. But as I have been at this for a while, I'm seeing how much better the reproductions are getting, and I realize that every bit of help they can get by reading posts like this, helps them make their fakes even better. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. In my searches, I've compiled a list of things that (usually Chinese) reproductions get wrong. Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. Where should I look for records or production date/serial number guides? Around $1.000. military type swords are also being reproduced today. Swords of this type were made in all sizes, from tanto to katana or tachi. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. The best place to look is at the serial Numbers. This would fool most entry level guys. 2023 GriffinMilitaria.com. Many will have some type of engraving, usually floral, on the blade. Truly disappointing. Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. As I said in the other NCO topic. Have always thought the comments about not tipping off the forgers are just plain silly.I still do.The image of some rough factory in China where they are turning these outand some guy on a computer somewhere shouting out in Chinese into the factory "Hey guys! doing. You cannot paste images directly. most certainly mean the blade is handmade. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Essentially, the blade has the Nagoya factory stamp next to the serial number however the Fuchi appears to only have one stamping . I agree. The serial number should be near the bottom of the . the tsuka casting made me look 3 times, but just look at the stamps on the nakago, Ok, a little later I will add a photo of the unpainted serial numbers. . Hi I'm a newly signed up member of the site. If the swords are getting this good I think that's not a good idea. This product is available for international shipping. once told the facts they simply try and sell it on at the same price they paid, to avoid a loss of money instead of learning from there mistakes. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. It comes with the original bag it came home from the war in. The real tsukas have crisp detail, and the fakes always seem not-crisp. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people. Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" And even if your intentions are completely legitimate, the "bad guys" are still out there and could read this post. I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. Some older (Shinshinto)