Happy holidays and thank you for this article. My fiance and I have an exact conjunction of Sun/Mercury in the 12th in Taurus with Venus also being the chart ruler and placed in the 1st. It also governs much, much more, however. Natal Birth Chart Meaning. My wife and I have composite moon in the 12 house (aquarius). Trust me when I say that I will happily take a man i am less connected to, to allow myself the support I need to thrive in this life. I can no longer approach love as wholeheartedly again. Noticed he has moved on and I want to let go and move on too, hoping that the story will not repeat itself again. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. From what you said, it seems like perhaps these give the relationship an element of commitment, partnership, and longevity that it wouldnt otherwise have albiet in an unusual, community-oriented way. 12th house issues are not always supportive. I am a strong 12th house person- the sun in Libra conjunct Pluto/Mercury in Scorpio, with Saturn in Scorpio widely conjunct my Scorpio ascendent (I told you I was intense) and he has no planets in the 12th. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. Am I right in deducing that this relationship is more of an initiation? We all find our gods where we can and must. Long story short it really bothered me that I can not tell him how I really feel about him because we are both ironically attending church but I felt that he really likes me as well. Transit Jupiter in the Composite 12th House. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! What is the difference between Midpoint and Davison as Your opinion? . A lot of native speakers make this same mistake, and worse. We have the ultimate intimacy side by side with the knowledge of ultimate separateness. Regine. I feel sad about that. It is ruled by Pluto and Mars, rulers of Scorpio. I know he is devoted to his son more maybe than to his wife but he cares about him as well because he is a very nice man. It can also mean, in this case, unconscious elements making themselves known via the Ascendant in mysterious ways. 12th House Meaning. Transit Mercury in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Mercury Astrology Free Interpretations . For instance I have a Composite Taurus Sun at 1-2 degrees in the 12th Conjunct Taurus Eros (also in the 12th at 4 degrees), and the Taurus Asc at 5 degrees. I say empty.. no planet but Asteroid Osiris is 26 Aries. This is where our own shadow meets the shadow of the collective. so we find the True in each other. She says that she has been uncertain about her attraction to me from the beginning and is just really confused because she does love me. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) Another concern is his Saturn and North node in my MC/IC and my Mercury/Mar (ruler of my 7th) in his Asc. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. you are right on target- although I forgot to mention that our trine is in 4th,8th and 12th you are an amazing teacher and your articales on your site have helped me tremendously. Dear Dawn, thank you for this amazing article. Im always attracted to those types of relationships Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. Dawn, thank you for writing this article. Thanks. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. This is okay, as long as we learn from those mistakes and adjust our steps. And now we come to the house that causes more furrowed brows than any other. *Composite Chiron conjunct Moon in Taurus in 12th house. Wow, everything in this article is so accurate + written so beautifully. When Pluto is conjunct the North Node, our mistakes can be more dramatic and our adjustments have to be greater. In our composite chart, Mars in 12th house Cancer square MC conjunct Mercury(10th) and the Sun, Venus(9th) & Mars square IC conjunct Saturn and Pluto(3rd). Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. By the way loved your above article and thank you for any info you provide : ) x, Thanks for writing this article. What if the composite chart has two strong stelliums: one is made up of the outer planets in the 12th, the other Sun/Mercy/Venus/Juno in the 10th (and moon and mars are in the 8th). Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? I have forgotten to say, as for HIS Lilith, its conjunct my Desc (orb -1) which is an interaspect I cant give meaning to, (too hard to analyse for me) but however, it also is a new lilith matter. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? I am so sad because I would have never meet him IF my husband and this man, and his wife would not become friends with him in church, ( I did not go to church for a while so I would not meet them!) As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. Bonus points if the Sun and Moon are conjunct. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. I have gone through a long, long cycle of heartaches and have been able to slowly, heart-wrenchingly get over each and every one, except this guy. We feel that very beautiful in our life! That you both have the Moon in the 12th makes you both sensitive to your surroundings and highly intuitive. What would you say about a composite Scorpio Juno in the 12th house, conjunct to the asteroid Valentine and squaring the north and south node? However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds. Good luck. Thank you SO very much for this post. But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. He says what on thinking. Im sorry to hear your story. The person with the most crowded 12th house in history is Ann Margret, a Swedish born actor best known for her iconic Easy Rider bike scene and starring in Viva Los Vegas alongside Elvis Presley. Transit Venus in the Composite 12th House. Mars also squares Mercury, Venus, Pluto and Saturn. They might not be opposed to using under-handed tactics in order to receive information or get what they desire. Dear Dawn, I just see now, that accidentally I typed wrong Your name! He is a pisces/cap/aquar with cap moon in 12th house. It doesnt matter. My mars falls in his 12th and his moon falls in my 12th. If anything new would happen you would dbe the first one to know! We romanticize all of this (and well, a little romance never hurt anyone) but the truth is that this familiarity is there to hurry up the bonding process so that the lessons and the challenges can be quickly assimilated. Me and my sweet friend have Sun, Venus and Mercury in Cancer in the 12th, trine Neptune in Scorpio in the 5th, sextile Moon in Taurus in the 10th, but square Saturn in Virgo in the 3rd. I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. It is SO powerful! We are just in the beginning so should I try this relationship or just let it go? When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. So my final question is which method should I look onto (composite or synastry) as they both seem to go into totally different directionsand is it possible to reveal our secret relationship even with composite 12th house? That is really challenging chart I assume and I dont know whether I go for this guy or not. In Our composite chart Sun, Mercury, Venus, Jupiter and Chiron in the 12 house. It has felt fated, mesmerizing, seductive, magnetic and karmic. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. When composite Lilith is placed in the eighth house of the composite chart, this makes the relationship between the two people very intense. I live in a kind of constant daydream /illusion of being near my beloved ghost I know this is not truth , but I dont know how I could do without. He eventually ended it because he was afraid wed go into a dark place with each other again- our relationship was very intense, and my insecurities and control issues combined with his youthful sloppiness are what destroyed it. Our date was perfect but too creepy cause he told his very deep secrets and early regrets to me. Anything different there? I have 3 planets in my natal chart in 12th house (mercury,sun,mars) and we have 2 planets,which are identical in my natal(mercury and sun), in the composite chart in 12th house with someone who i talked for 6 months but we never dated.We also have our moon in pisces in 6th house. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. and he JUST asked me to lunch yesterday. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). Thank you for this article. Sometimes walking around with him is just like being in a movie, which is funny because we ARE in a movie together- one he is making with his best friend. I thought I had become delusional, making things up in my head. Our ascendant is also pisces but our Uranus-Venus opposite position makes lots of deals in our relationship besides the 12th and 6th house. i am deeply hurt but I am not angry with him. I was immediately flooded with emotion- I realized all at once how intensely close to him I was and needed to know if he was ok, etc. If we do things out of fear or for security, and we dont listen to the call to step onto our proper path in life, we are serving the ego instead of the soul. November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. sorry Ive made an error : it is not his descendant point, it is his IC point. The romantic synastric analysis is the interaction of houses between two birth charts. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. should i run away from this relationship? Am i trapping my self? Dont worry, Evelyne. My question is this: Does our Sun/Mercury conjunction in the 12th composite necessarily have to mean we are destined to learn a particular lesson and then part? I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. or is it irrelevant ? We met one day and it was ON, mutual, and understood without saying word. I really love this article its very beautifully written and bittersweet, but anyone with a natal 12th house venus and venus in pisces has walked these roads. I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. thanks!! where is very intense connection and I can feel things youve described but also I can see it as long term.. And youre so right, because there is something about the compo 12 th house ! Please forgive me, there are much to read and ask, Your inputs will be very much appreciated. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. In reality, 12th house people tend to believe it doesn't matter what they do. I will look into it. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. But someone who tells you they love you every day and tries to break up with you every month is clearly not. thanks you very much Dawn to shed some lights on this! I met with a guy 2 months ago and when we saw each other, -there is no doubt that- we were both fascinated by each other. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. Your emotions may also be cloudy and unclear at times, and your lack of boundaries may cause you trouble. Jupiter in 1st house, Uranus in the 11th to bracket the party. I could love this man more than my husband who is a caring man and in a way very similar to this man. Subconciously I always looked at him for a few seconds like a magnet but did not put any thought to it. We fall, and find the world. We have (taurus) mars-venus conjunction on the 12th house and it is so real in our life: we need so strong the deep intimacy and the so close physical and spiritual nearness together, and it is better for us to be alone together for our happiness. And 1 more thing HIS VENUS opposes my vertex and my sun, venus and mercury on his ASC conjucts his Venus! So beautifully written Dawn. Your generation, the one with Pluto/Uranus opposite Saturn in Virgo/Pisces, came into this life with a huge burden. Astro-Seek.com Seek and meet people born on the same date as you . With the composite 12th house in Aries, it may be difficult at times for you to take initiative together when needed, and instead that kicks in when youre moving together subconsciously. However, humans are imperfect, and complete faith is hard to keep up all of the time. The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! Im trying to determine the karmic lessons we need to learn from this. I feel so relieved after reading it because I really thought i was crazy. Thrown/compelled into a private relationship that feels confusing and unavoidable at the same time. At all. IP . I like to think of Pluto more in terms of the battle between the ego and the soul. I live a bliss and despair relation for about 2 years but definite we are totally different persons than before met each other (we are old enough!). But from the first moment I felt and I know he did as well this very big attraction to him. along with Juno. Our strongest aspect is Saturn Trine Moon. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. Im sure a lot of my readers have been there and sympathize with you completely. Sometimes we will be asked to make leaps of faith. We have met up a few times since then, but our feelings for each other were immediate and are exceptionally strong even without the benefit of an active physical relationship. Knowing him has felt like a blessing and a curse, and yet, to this day, I do not regret falling in love with him that night 10 years ago. . great post- thank you! AT ALL. Usually, life will present us with huge dilemmas that cause us to choose between the ego and the soul path. Just endings in general. 13 . Thank you Dawn for this very interesting article. The south node lies there on the natal composite. Our mars is in cap in 3rd house and mars in 11th house libra. Im from a country in southamerica. So much uncertainty and confusion!! The 12th house is the culmination of all that has come before itits our last chance, our last ride, and planets there can often go to extremes without knowing why (they can blame it on the limitless nature of Pisces, which respects no boundaries). Though many of the things you have said have been true, and there are challenges, I know we are committed to knowing each other and spending this precious time together. If I did not believe in Karma or Fate now I do not have ANY DOUBT that really something runs our life from out there for good or bad We become real magicians if we can tap into it. It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. That I could be around someone and not feel uncomfortable. Because, of Saturn and Pluto? Fame has its roots in the 12th because that is where we can serve as an example of a prime archetypewe can embody the zeitgeist of our age. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. Please your opinion. You will both be changed deeply by it. The midpoint composite points out the places where the planets in the two charts manifest. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. New Classes and Courses Beginning In September! That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. hi dawn:) I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. This depends on how well Lilith energy is being handled in the synastry and natal chart. Here Black Moon Lilith is squaring both Venus/Mars (12th house) and the Moon (6th house) - both the most difficult houses in the composite chart, indicating an unequal partnership. . Should I pay attention to that or to our individual charts? Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? Look at what sign the 12th house is in. I use both in my practice. What is your thought on this. In my experience, if you have a good synastry but a difficult composite, the couple get along with one another but have problems establishing the relationship in the outside world. His Saturn rules his moon and his ascendant, so it is a prominent planet, and as I said, he has Saturn conjunct his north node natally. . thank you for this article, im really having a hard time understanding the 12th house, as you concluded we all do.. and i dont know why, this last paragraph brought a tear to my eye.. because its so true, so well said. I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. any input would be greatly appreciated!!! The part about unrequited love was particularly interesting and that other part might not know what we exist. Now I just have to sit and wait around where it is got to leave us! It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. Do you think that is true? Everywords pounding in me. Sorry, Natalia, I cant really comment on this in the space available. When transit Neptune is in the composite 12th house, you can explore your spiritual connection, and want to make sure that youre intuitively moving in the same direction. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . I have a nice syntrastry with my boyfriend (im born 8/1/1983 and he is born 10/7/1982). Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. I am in a relationship with a man for 14 years in which we have an extremely strong synastry including my saturn conjunct his venus by degree, his saturn/node conjunct my sun/chiron by degree. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. If the fears arent dealt with (and the fears include loss of all kinds), it can get projected and the world itself can become the enemy. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. Such a great article! Hi Daw In fact, it seems we are even more a part of each others lives than ever. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. The composite with the Great Unrequired Impossible love of my life , shows Sun conjunct Neptune and SN , in Scorpio VII . This man can be my everything and this feeling will not change. We had an instant connection, and I ended up in his apartment the first night we met. Its the last chance to get it right, and there will be a struggle to use this planets positive expression easily. Judy, Im sorry about your relationship with your daughter. It shapes the relationship between two persons. Saturn, NN, and Sun exact at 28 degrees, opposite Chiron Rx in Cancer. Any advice would be helpful. A very painful and challenging connection. my davison chart has our sun, mercury and pluto in the 12. frequently i hear what he says in my head before he says it. Sun/Uranus conjunct in the 1st. He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. Haunting Looking at the chart, it seems to be propelling us into Aquarius, and Aquarian age type of love. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). what do you think it means to have such much weight in the 1st and 12th houses? I dont know if he felt the same deep feelings but I know he was puzzled by the sex. Its a huge task, but often one the 12th house couple is uniquely suited for. He literally proposed to me the night we met. Im trying to figure it out. I have met my match. I feel that our connection is a long term one over many lifetimes. The ego thing is very true. :In a composite chart: What does it mean when both people have juno in the 12 House?
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